_Marinaaa:

b0red:

lord_byron:

if you don't personally care about keane members, then why are you even posting here?

Meet other fans?
Talk aboutt he music?

 

Thanks Mel.

hi b0red and _marinnaa, i missed an operative word there so my apologies to muse-ic. i thought she was talking about keane 'board' members (fans) as opposed to keane 'band' members (musicians). so, i thought she didn't personally care about any one here on the forum board as members (fans) or what we might have to say about music. anyways, i mostly talk here about music as sonic expression but also music as experience and social text which in turn can't depend on a simplistic polarization of 'stupid fans' versus 'fans.'

Boardies vs. groupies was a real issue on the old board and honestly, I'm with Annie. Who cares? Get a life and stop complaining about the fan hierarchy.

It just gets on my nerves that fans will put other fans down because of how they show their love for the band. As long as no one is stalking the band in real life, I see no problem in people fawning over band members.

In terms of technology, it is easier now to find out about the band themselves and also when they will be playing. It's like a big fan club. Just think, people used to only know that the band was coming to their town and had no idea what a large scale their band was really reaching people. Except maybe the Beatles. Television was another way for fans to connect to the band. But online makes the band more accesible.

My $1.50.

 

 

_Marinaaa:

And anyway we all know they are far from being perfect. I don’t want to bring back hard memories, but Tom was a junkie. And Keane as a band is far from being perfect too, I mean, they went to Star Academy and wrote You don’t see me

 

LOL

 dont think i should waste my time talking about 'creepy fans' because it's pretty much said. but i do personally find travelling around a really great experience if youre meeting other boardies and so on, tbh its the reason why O2 is so 'important', at least to me, but ive met people who came alone without knowing anyone just to see the band and meet them - result: that person almost fainted next to me even before the gig started for not queuing without eating the entire day! feeling part of a community and queueing with people who understand and share your 'obsession' and who at the same time will keep your spot while you go to the toilet or bring stuff to share is so much better... and particularly within the EU, visiting other places and boardies in other member states is pretty much appealing. nothing wrong with that.

lord_byron:

then why are you even posting here? what good does it do you to even be on the forum?

Well actually that's not your business. Anyway since the question has been already answered, so I only say this: I meant to say that I really don't care about Keane members personally, such as Tom wearing short sleeves or where they live. I know where they live will influence their music, but we don't need to know the address. And if Tom wears short sleeves at a gig, then his performance will be musically better? No. I was referring to those fangirly aspects of the information.

Then in past I tried hard to see how fangirls' minds work, even though I didn't major in music or something related to music market when I was a university student. I'm sorry for not being intellectual. It's really hard to understand when they say they like Back Street Boys' or Jonas Brothers' songs because they look hot. It's not logical. Their appearance doesn't mean anything musically. Then I think they see their music as a bonus. As I see with Keane such as they look great but it's only a bonus to their music. Yes I hate fangirls/boys, because I really care about music and I don't like when what I care is treated lightly. I would have killed myself if I hadn't had music when I was young. (don't say I should've. lol) Anyway, since I hate fangirls so much that is why I label them stupid, because they are kind of manipulated by the media. As I wrote above I tried to understand their attitude, but I was kind of tired of that then just ended up labeling them stupid. Sadly I have seen many stupid fangirls in my real life. But if you want I can go details better than labeling stupid. I thought you didn't need the details.

By the way at this forum I rarely saw fangirls/boys, and none of boardies who posted to this thread is certainly not a fangirl.

But you like other 'hot men', Satomi? I'm sorry, I'm teasing you a little bit. It's so easy to misunderstand and be misunderstood when all we have to go on is a few words on a screen. Or a lot of words, in the case of this thread.

_Marinaaa:

And anyway we all know they are far from being perfect. I don’t want to bring back hard memories, but Tom was a junkie. And Keane as a band is far from being perfect too, I mean, they went to Star Academy and wrote You don’t see me

 

Not to get off topic... but, what human IS perfect, Marinaa??  Everyone has a various "slip" every now and again (and yes I mean EVERYONE).  Are you going to hold the "drug period" over his head forever or are you going to accept that that was just part of his life and move on?  Same with the rest of the band.  Do their faults take precedence over their music, the kind of people they are or what they've accomplished??  Honestly, what difference does it really make?

You can call me a hypocrite for saying this, I don't care, but people should concern themselves with fixing their own flaws before they even bother to judge the flaws of others. 

Emmybear:

_Marinaaa:

And anyway we all know they are far from being perfect. I don’t want to bring back hard memories, but Tom was a junkie. And Keane as a band is far from being perfect too, I mean, they went to Star Academy and wrote You don’t see me

 

Not to get off topic... but, what human IS perfect, Marinaa??  Everyone has a various "slip" every now and again (and yes I mean EVERYONE).  Are you going to hold the "drug period" over his head forever or are you going to accept that that was just part of his life and move on?  Same with the rest of the band.  Do their faults take precedence over their music, the kind of people they are or what they've accomplished??  Honestly, what difference does it really make?

You can call me a hypocrite for saying this, I don't care, but people should concern themselves with fixing their own flaws before they even bother to judge the flaws of others. 

 

I didn't get very well what you are saying but I'll try to answer.

OF COURSE there is not a single perfect human on the earth! I know that, I'm not that stupid, thank you very much! When I was younger I liked Lancelot of the Lake in the Arthurian legend because he seemed perfect and then I found that annoying because not true and now I like him again because in my fav TV show he totally becomes mad  because he realizes he can't be perfect and the world he lives in can't be either and I find that so much more real!

I don't f.cking care about Thomas's past addiction to drugs. And moreover, now it is over so yeah, I care even less. It is sad because it nearly destroyed the band but now it is over so I care even less. I'm not sayinh "booooooooooooooooooh bad boy booooooooooooooooooooh". What I say is that some people have to keep in mind that Thomas is not perfect so they could stop acting like crazy stalkers. I wasn't posting on the board when it was revealed that Thomas druged himself coz I did not even have the internet but last time I get bored and decided to read what French speaking fans had said about it on the old French board and some of them really scared me.

I like Tom's music and if he wants to take drugs it is not my matter, it is his life. I prefer to listen to Keane music than to speaking about his problems. I would hate that if it had to destroy the band but I would not really have a word to say about that. But now it is over so I don't even know what I'm saying here. Yes, you'rte right, it's my mistake. Apologies.

justanotherdawn:

But you like other 'hot men', Satomi? I'm sorry, I'm teasing you a little bit. It's so easy to misunderstand and be misunderstood when all we have to go on is a few words on a screen. Or a lot of words, in the case of this thread.

That is a bonus lol. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to enjoy other parts of the band apart from music, but then I would listen to Keane if Tom was bald. Probably fangirls won't, if they look old or less attractive, or if they are not popular anymore.

And I know there is no perfect human being, but it annoys me when fans let it go easily by saying "because no one is perfect. period, next issue." because they don't want to face the issue. It's kind of childish. I have never used and will never use "no one is perfect" as an excuse for myself. It's, just so easy. So no one is perfect he can leave the past behind? I'm not directly blaming him for that because it's his life and I'm pretty sure he is aware of that, but I accept it as past (or a part) of Keane. I'm not sure whether I can say this here, but "I repent this so god forgive me we can leave this behind, everything is fine now" isn't my thing. Life isn't that easy. I'm not talking about Tom here, it's fans who avoid what they don't want to see, and enjoy only his better image.

 

muuzyq:

In terms of technology, it is easier now to find out about the band themselves and also when they will be playing. It's like a big fan club. Just think, people used to only know that the band was coming to their town and had no idea what a large scale their band was really reaching people. Except maybe the Beatles. Television was another way for fans to connect to the band. But online makes the band more accesible.

My $1.50.

 

/ dork nerd mode on /

yeah muzzyq, that's interesting about the beatles and tv and i think thats  something important to consider with the history of 'fangirl' and technology. l i ask myself if  would the british invasion of rock and roll in the usa even be an invasion w/o the wild screaming fangirls we saw losing it on television back in the day or even when elvis too with all the wild girls getting out of control or having fits when he was drafted?  in my opinion, i think it made music so much more exciting for people who couldn't be there in person but were there as tv watchers (new tvs in the homes back then was new too, right?)  even with lord byron (my literary crush) being the first celebrity according to wiki. women AND men were wild and off the chain for him back in the day because he was sexy and had all these portraits of himself painted for distribution and wrote over the top romanticist emo poetry. bad boy. haahah

oh yeah, i just think that people's brains may work differently when thinking about different kinds of fandom. certain fangirls/boys/groupies/fans/ethusiasts etc.. who only see 'tommy is a hot boy so the music is hot' might be more visually stimulated by him versus other fans who are more audibly stimulated versus those who feel and see at the same time and are thus stimulated. I just let people be and have their fun for whatever it is. i can't force anyone to feel a certain way or to feel music the way i do. that's the anarcho-pacifist in me ahaha. free to let em' be and free to be in peace, dude.  *chill pill taken*

muse-ic:

And I know there is no perfect human being, but it annoys me when fans let it go easily by saying "because no one is perfect. period, next issue." because they don't want to face the issue. It's kind of childish. I have never used and will never use "no one is perfect" as an excuse for myself. It's, just so easy. So no one is perfect he can leave the past behind? I'm not directly blaming him for that because it's his life and I'm pretty sure he is aware of that, but I accept it as past (or a part) of Keane. I'm not sure whether I can say this here, but "I repent this so god forgive me we can leave this behind, everything is fine now" isn't my thing. Life isn't that easy. I'm not talking about Tom here, it's fans who avoid what they don't want to see, and enjoy only his better image.

 

 

Acceptance is childish?? When did that happen?

It has absolutely nothing to do with "not facing the issue".  It has everything to do realizing it is not within your control, it's that person's problem to deal with.  Not yours.  The best thing you can do is help or attempt to support/guide that person, but that's about it. 

I think it's more childish to put someone on a pedestal and expect them to be flawless or perfect and then when they screw up it automatically gives others reason to beat that person over the head with their flaws.  It is impossible to expect another human being to conform to a perfect ideal of how you think they should behave, sans any mistakes whatsoever.  You want that? Build a robot.  History alone (not just Tom Chaplin's, thanks) can tell you that several times over.

And, yes, the past is the past.  Let's learn from it, leave it there and move on. There's no reason to continue to dwell on it and other people's mistakes.

Why is it so wrong to celebrate the good in people?  It's not done nearly enough as it should be, these days.

I just want to be a fan.Just a fan, that's it.

I don't want to know Keane inside out. I don't want to relate to them thinking, oh wow, they have problems too. I don't care. I want to enjoy the music and laugh at how funny these guys can be.

Can people do that without being judged?

 

I have been following this thread for quite some time, wondering all the time: what the hell am I?

A fan? Yes, first it was the music that drew me to Keane. But though fan is derived from fanatic I would not consider myself a fanatic, my appreciation of music spreads from classical and jazz to Radiohead and Keane, and I also take the liberty to voice my opinion on a more crappy Keane product.( I omit Paul Potts and Susan Boyle in my appreciation, if you don´t mind, LOL!)

A boardie? Yes, though I sometimes sit on my hands as not to comment everything and everywhere I enjoy communicating with others via km.com.

A fan-girl? Well, do I still qualify as a fangirl at the age of 52? I can be terribly childish from time to time and I am not ashamed of that. I own a lot of Keane paraphernalia and currently sleep on "A Bad Dream" duvet . But I would not have my bum tattooed for them.

A groupie? Hmmmmm... let me think. To be honest, I don´t mind the good looks of our boys, it does not impare my appreciation of their music to risk some glances at Tom´s tight jeans or his shiny Italian boots , Richard´s piercing blue eyes, Tim´s black curls and long eyelashes, and yes, us ladies, we are entitled to some fun in that department!

Technology? www has brought us together, and as every technology it has its advantages and its flaws. Just don´t take it all too serious. Please.

Emmybear:

muse-ic:

And I know there is no perfect human being, but it annoys me when fans let it go easily by saying "because no one is perfect. period, next issue." because they don't want to face the issue. It's kind of childish. I have never used and will never use "no one is perfect" as an excuse for myself. It's, just so easy. So no one is perfect he can leave the past behind? I'm not directly blaming him for that because it's his life and I'm pretty sure he is aware of that, but I accept it as past (or a part) of Keane. I'm not sure whether I can say this here, but "I repent this so god forgive me we can leave this behind, everything is fine now" isn't my thing. Life isn't that easy. I'm not talking about Tom here, it's fans who avoid what they don't want to see, and enjoy only his better image.

 

 

Acceptance is childish?? When did that happen?

It has absolutely nothing to do with "not facing the issue".  It has everything to do realizing it is not within your control, it's that person's problem to deal with.  Not yours.  The best thing you can do is help or attempt to support/guide that person, but that's about it. 

I think it's more childish to put someone on a pedestal and expect them to be flawless or perfect and then when they screw up it automatically gives others reason to beat that person over the head with their flaws.  It is impossible to expect another human being to conform to a perfect ideal of how you think they should behave, sans any mistakes whatsoever.  You want that? Build a robot.  History alone (not just Tom Chaplin's, thanks) can tell you that several times over.

And, yes, the past is the past.  Let's learn from it, leave it there and move on. There's no reason to continue to dwell on it and other people's mistakes.

Why is it so wrong to celebrate the good in people?  It's not done nearly enough as it should be, these days.

You don't understand my post properly. I said that I don't like fangirls who don't accept the truth because they want to have only the good image of TC. I called that is childish, because they avoid facing it by reasoning it simply, such as no one is perfect. And I did wrote it's his life and he is aware of that: so he's the one who has to suffer the past and I do feel sorry for that, can't you read what I meant between the lines? Did you really read my post, or you just felt so angry because you thought I was intentionally trying to hurt your beloved TC or / and you? It wasn't directed to you. Well provided that you are not one of fangirls. Then you started attacking but couldn't you come up with the better one than a fucking robot? Haven't thought about it, life isn't that easy, really. What a disapointment.

 

 

dear all,

this is getting pretty intense for me so i am gonna chill out from km.com for a bit. please continue with the healthy debates.

always and forever in music, lord byron

But muse-ic, what 'truth' is there to accept?  Who isn't accepting that the band members are (just) human beings, who make mistakes? 

Can we agree that there's a wide range between 'he's perfect!' and 'he's a junkie'?  And that most of us fall somewhere in between, closer to the 'he's a brilliant musician' middle?

 

And darn it, L_B just YAGEd.  I hope she has a good board break and comes back soon.

posted this before, di..

okay okay...

lord_byron:

posted this before, di..

okay okay...

you all got me (the princess). the joke was played on me. i'm just a crazy grad student (not using anything specific here for my diss) and not a big time dj (i hope it didn't sound that way) i just do college and alt radio and a one off here and there. i really am sorry for causing the drama and my mis/overreading and hyper enthusiam for keane and electronic music together along with my random marketing schemes.   you know tons about me now as well so big ouch.  i'll explain in another post but next time just tell me to shut the h*ll up and for me to quit posting so much and everywhere.

i hope i can come back.

Huh?

I think there will always be fans who are more into the music then others. I think there will always be fans who are really into how the band looks, but, with that said, I think most of the screaming girls do like the music. And isn't liking the music the important thing?

 

L_B: I didn't think you were anything other than what you are: a grad student and music enthusiast who has a way with words and likes to talk about deep things online.   Not to mention that you're a snappy dresser and an absolute sweetheart in person.

I certainly am not going to tell you to shut it or sod off. 

Some people choose to ignore/pretend things didn't happen when it comes to their idols and/or personal god/s.
But ignoring a part of who they are (yes, are. still a part of him because it changed him (hopefully) for the better, yes?) just because it doesn't fit with your views of them pretty pathetic.

You can kind of see it come off int he way some people talk, or post, about them. Or how they act around them in person.
But I agree with you, most of us only care about the music.
Which I have only listened to 3 songs since May because I'm so over-burnt and annoyed at the sound of his voice right now but hey. I'll still support that statement.




"And this is why you should never meet your idols."
- Charlie Day (one of my idols :p)

lord_byron:

tell me to shut the h*ll up and for me to quit posting so much and everywhere.

i hope i can come back.

Don't stop posting, l_b!  You do have a way with words (a good way)